Why Gay Marriage Is Wrong

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SHORT ANSWER

It’s not.

LONG ANSWER

Today’s post is in response to TFP Student Action’s post on “10 reasons why homosexual ‘marriage’ is harmful and must be opposed”.

In case you haven’t noticed (if you were, American say) the UK government is wonderfully close to legalising gay marriages (only to be performed in willing churches). you can find out more about that here.

In response to this a whole bunch of people have been coming on the news, on debating shows, or on pavements, to explain why this is/isn’t a good thing. From what I’ve written so far you may just have inferred that I think this is awesome. I think it is awesome because it makes other people happy, has no negative effect on the life of anyone, and there is no logical, secular argument that has been made against it (yet).

Now that’s a hell of a claim. But I stand by it. So there.

Wait…prove it? By Jove, that would be proving an ethical claim, which (for those not in the know) is pretty darn hard. But, I am willing to go through one set which certainly represent pretty much all arguments against it I have yet to hear. So, without further ado, here is

Why Gay Marriage is (not) Wrong

It is not marriage

This is the claim that “Calling something marriage does not make it marriage”, which is, ironically, the opposite of the truth, and in fact the website says as much (albeit unknowingly) in the very next sentence – “Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman…”. Given that the human race invented marriage, and the human race has not been around eternally, this sentence must mean “ever since marriage was invented it has been between a man and a women” (which is not true – it often used to be between a man and a bunch of women, even in the bible). Given therefor that humanity defined marriage, calling something marriage makes it marriage.

However, what the rest of this point seems to be getting at is that the point of marriage is to rear children. While I disagree, even accepting this claim that does not mean that gay marriage should therefor not be allowed. For a start, we do not forbid marriages between one or two infertile straight people. Also, not all marriages end in children, and people can have perfectly fine childhoods under unmarried men and women. And finally, gay people can still rear children! While I do not disagree that there are undeniable biological and psychological differences between men and women, kids can still be reared just fine by gay couples. We don’t ban gay people from adopting children, so clearly we as a society have agreed that gay people are fine at rearing children. And if the objection here is that gay people can’t give birth (ignoring sperm donations for a second here), then I question where the underpopulation crisis is, because last time I checked it was pretty much nowhere.

It violates natural law

This is the claim that homosexual unions are unnatural (and therefor evil). This is wrong, as we can clearly see homosexual behaviour exhibited throughout the natural world. Interestingly there is a suggestion that homosexuality evolved to do the biological equivalent of adoption – to help provide shelter, nutrition, safety etc. for the offspring of close relatives (the so-called ‘gay uncle’ theory). You can find out more about that here. I also question the premise that “Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.”. This seems to be coming at nature from a religious viewpoint, which would make this argument anti-secular, which I am powerfully against, for reasons I will go into in a future post.

It always denies a child a mother or father

While the essence of this point is correct, the claim that this is damaging to a child’s upbringing is not (see above points). Also, I question the claim that gay people would be getting married to have children. In the UK (where this legislation is being passed) gay people can already adopt. In my opinion it is far more likely that a gay couple would wish to marry for the same reasons as a straight couple – for the legal and financial benefits that marriage brings, and for the symbolic commitment and bonding that it creates.

It validates the homosexual lifestyle

This is true. But there’s nothing wrong with that. Because it’s ok to be gay, just like it’s ok to be tall or blond or black or what ever you are, because being gay is just part of who you are.  And I fail to see how letting gay people get married devalues or heterosexual marriage. That’s like saying allowing chocolate ice-cream to exist devalues vanilla ice cream. The only way you can reach the conclusion that gay marriage devalues straight marriages is by saying that it is fundamentally better to be straight than gay. And the only way you can reach that conclusion is through bigotry.

It turns a moral wrong into a civil right

This is really secretly previous arguments presented nicely. It is saying that marriage is for rearing children, and therefor that gay marriage doesn’t work – which is not true. It says that homosexuality is unnatural – which isn’t true.  It says that homosexuality is a choice, which isn’t true. Im beginning to see a theme.

It does not create a family but a naturally sterile union

This argument is based upon the idea that the role of marriage is the production (not the raising) of children. I believe that this could not be further from the truth. I have already discussed this above, as many of these arguments are pretty repetitive, the same points in different wrapping.

However, I did want to make one more point regarding this portrail of marriage, namely regarding its implication for sexual equality. It is difficult to say “Fred can’t marry Jeff because he can’t give birth,” without saying “I married you because you can give birth.” Although that could equally apply to men, given that this view tends to be expressed by those on the conservative end of the spectrum, I suspect that this line of argument lies upon the same plane that says the place of women ‘in the kitchen, cooking me dinner’, so to speak. But that’s just a hunch.

It defeats the state’s purpose of benefiting marriage

This is the claim that the reason the state endorses and encourages marriage in order to help create stable families for the benefit of children. Even presuming that this is the case, these people are wrong to claim that this does not apply to gay couples. As in the UK gay couples can adopt children even while not married, un-married homosexuals could still have children (in the sense that they are rearing children, rather than producing them). This means that, marriage being significant of a deep commitment (amongst other things), gay couples with children getting married should (according to this theory) provide a more stable family atmosphere for their children than an unmarried couple. While I do not believe this to be the case, as I have said before, even were it true it could still not constitute an argument against legalising same-sex marriage in the UK.

It imposes its acceptance on all society

There are three claims here. Firstly that legalising gay marriage will cause the state to be “its official and active promoter”, secondly that legalising gay marriage will force businesses not to discriminate against gay couples and thirdly that it will force all christians to accept and condone same-sex marriages. Strangely, again, none of this is true.

The state doesn’t necessarily have to promote a thing merely because it is legal. That is the decision of the government in power, who would in turn be in power based on the will of the people. So if the people are in favour of gay marriage being promoted then it should be? That sounds a lot like democracy to me.

And discriminating against gay people in general is already illegal in the UK, this is effective just extending the nature of being a homosexual to being someone who can marry people they love. This page also claims that it will force unwilling organisations to allow gay marriage which, at least with this legislation in particular, is not the case (See here).

And finally, as I said just now, it is not compulsory to conduct same-sex marriages. So yet again, this point is false.

It is the cutting edge of the sexual revolution

This is the slippery slope argument that “If homosexual “marriage” is universally accepted as the present step in sexual “freedom,” what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behaviour?”, to which there is a very simple response – unlike all those ‘evil’ orientations, gay relationships are consenting and harm nobody. Bestiality – animals cannot consent. Incest – this is potentially harmful to the couple’s future children. Pedophilia – this is both sex without recognised consent and harmful to the children. Checkmate.

It offends god

Oh, how I love this argument. Not because it is valid, but because there are so legion ways to destroy it. Firstly it is anti-secular – it generates laws based on a single religious viewpoint. Given that the opposing option accommodates all religious viewpoints, let god punish those who offend him…or not, most probably. Secondly, it ignores pro-choice christians, who are many in their number. For example, at a recent village fate, my local priest (a cracking guy, by the way), put up a banner proclaiming “I couldn’t believe in a God who hated gay people”. According to a recent internet poll of about 500 christians, 81.5% support gay marriage.

The arguments normally go on to summon up bible quotes to support their position (which is possible for almost any opinion you could ever happen to have). In this specific case the passages offered are

(Gen. 1:28)

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

There are multiple approaches to rebuffing the use of this quote. The clearest two I can think of are as following. Firstly, this command would appear to fall under the [jewish] covenant, which would surely have been superseded with the coming of Jesus. Some people argue that this is refuted by Mathew 5:7, however most scholars interpret that as referring to Law in the metaphorical sense of a moral duty towards god rather than the actual, specific commandments handed down to the Jewish people. However, more importantly, this doesn’t actually say gay marriage is evil or even that men should marry women. It just says that mankind should increase in population and dominate the world…something the world is doing better than ever at in this, relatively enlightened, day and age. Also, gay people could benefit this commandment through the so-called ‘gay uncle theory‘, offered by some evolutionary biologists as to the origin of homosexuality.

(Mark 10:6-7)

“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife…’…”

This passage is somewhat more difficult to rebuff. However, I still believe it is compatible with a worldview that says that God approves of gay marriage. Firstly, as people who go forth to the original source of this quote will know, some early manuscripts do not contain the passage ‘and be united to his wife’, upon which this entire argument is based. As the (otherwise excellent) BibleGateway.com doesn’t provide citations for its footnotes I cannot speculate on the origin, nature or number of these alternative manuscripts, however, were the whole Jesus shamble real, earlier manuscripts would surely be more reliable. However, even taking the additional presumption that Jesus actually said that, I believe that Jesus was not talking about specifically hetrosexual marriage. More, he would instead be using imagery and such-forth, as he so often did, to say that human beings should leave the security of their parents, and seek their ‘soul-mate’, a person they love, are loved by, and who makes them happy. Which is, as I said above, actually the whole point of gay marriage, partly.

But, ultimately, it doesn’t really matter what the bible says on the matter, because even if it’s worth reading, one can support any and every opinion with a sufficiently liberal attitude to its 3 000 verses. So yes, Gay marriage isn’t wrong. If you don’t like Gay Weddings, don’t have one.

Why Do Evangelicals Love The Commandments

It is a common claim amongst evangelical christians[1][2][3] that the ten commandments should be displayed in schools across America, and that doing so should somehow fix all (or at least many) of Americas so-called ‘social crises ‘. Most scandalously (in my opinion), scores of evangelical christians line up to blame any given school massacre on said school’s commandment deficit depressingly soon after the event. Obviously almost anyone with secular and/or atheist inclinations would be virulently against this (myself included), saying that it thrusts christianity upon impressionable young people in an entirely inappropriate way, and that it is in contravention of the american constitution. Creationists offer counter this by claiming that the commandments should be displayed as a historical text, however the dishonest of this argument is revealed by their rejection of and disdain for equivalent texts for other religions – they would fight against, for example, the Rambam’s Thirteen Principles of Jewish Faith. However, while I would agree with all these arguments, I feel that there is an alternative, and much more interesting, line of argument to be pursued. Essentially this is simply to read the ten commandments, which is what we will now do.

According to the New International Version Bible the ten commandments are as follows:

  1. You shall have no other gods before me.
  2. You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
  3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
  4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
  5. Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
  6. You shall not murder.
  7. You shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not steal.
  9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour.
  10. You shall not covet your neighbour’s house. You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Remember, these are held to be the 10 most fundamental laws of abrahamic faith, which among their number include forbidding ANYONE from working on saturday; painting, sculpting or drawing ANYTHING or practising ANY faith other than [Judaism|Christianity|Islam], delete as appropriate. For sure, it may recommend one does not murder, cheat, steal or lie, but quite frankly any fool stupid enough not to work those out for themselves is either beyond help, or mentally ill.

So, in order, here is what is wrong with the commandments:

Firstly, it’s religiously intolerant in contravention of the law of most countries. It forbids having any other than the proclaimer’s chosen religion, which is definitely not a good thing.

Secondly, the second commandment, while intended as an anti-idolatry commandment, in this form at least effectively bans all art. Most christians and jews, as far as I’m aware, pay this little heed (ironic as they deem it one of the fundamental tenants of their faith), but Muslims at least seem to care about it a fair whack. They do not permit the artistic representation directly of any living thing. However, theoretically, even this is not enough. Taking this passage literally not only would you not be able to literally represent anything that physically exists, but you could argue (admittedly somewhat pedantically that as the painting or drawing or sculpture you create physically exists, it becomes an idol of itself, meaning that you can’t create any art without incurring the wrath of God not only upon yourself but upon all your descendants up until your great-great-grandchild.

This brings me neatly on to my next point – God punishes the child for the sins of the father. Now, call me an out-there crazy liberal, but I personally think that essentially random people shouldn’t be punished for what other people do, especially when they are things so idle as drawing a cow as a toddler. The fact that god could be self-describedly jealous, and that he should punish the innocent for the so-called ‘evils’ of friends they didn’t choose, is in my opinion completely incompatible with a benevolent god. God appears in the second commandment to be, in the words of Ros Rubicondior, a protection raketeer.

While it is not a problem with the text, it is interesting to note that the third commandement is often misinterpreted, but also that this missinterpretation is, ironically, also misinterpreted. A common misconception is that the third commandment says that you’re not allowed to say the word god. As far as I can tell, it doesn’t. Instead what it does say is that you cannot claim to do a thing for God, where in fact you are lying. However, this misconception is in turn misunderstood as meaning it is OK to say things like ‘god damn it!’ or ‘for god’s sake!’. These things are actually still prohibited – saying ‘for god’s sake!’, for example, is claiming that god does not wish someone do the thing that irked you so. However, if that is not the case, which most religious and irreligious people would say it normally isn’t, it would be ‘misusing the name of your lord God’. Except as with all things, this is open to interpretation. Some might say that “will not hold guiltless” means “shall be given guilt”, others would say it means “shall not be forgiven (what they did)”. Under the second interpretation “god damn that computer” would not really be a ‘bad’ thing to say. But, let’s be honest, nobody really cares about that level of technicality.

There are many other problems with the commandments, but they’re somewhat more minor, so I shall spare you them here.

 

But the key point is that these ‘problems’ are, almost certainly, the point. To be frank, telling people you shouldn’t kill folk is almost certainly going to have an effect…on no-one. The only way that the moral commandments (commandments 6-9, possibly 5 and possibly 10) could affect any change whatsoever is by using the second to terrify children into faith. But the point isn’t that they don’t steal, as this is clearly the wrong way to stop them – it is to scare them into faith. It is to teach them that they and their children and their children’s children and so on will be punished if they take but one step away from their faith. It is to bring them to your religion. It is, as with all evangelical activity, to evangelise.

 

Post script: Admittedly the last paragraph doesn’t really have any supporting evidence, it is clearly an opinion not a fact. However, I would say it would be even more insulting to Christians to label them with the stupidity carried by their own claims.

The Problem of Fine-Tuning

There are many standard arguments one is faced with when debating with a creationist, hence the existence of creationist bingo . Many of these are weak and illogical; many however, are somewhat more robust. And in today’s post I shall be exploring an argument that lies across all ends of this spectrum. I shall, of course, be exploring “The Problem of Fine-Tuning”.

What is The Problem Of Fine-Tuning

In summary form the problem of fine-tuning can be simplified as this.

“Quality A is perfect for thing B.

Therefore Quality A was perfected deliberately”

At the lower end of thoughtfulness this argument is usually more along the lines of:

“Conditions on earth are perfect for life/humans.

Therefore the conditions on earth were designed by God.”

This argument is so weak it is almost absurd. The essential problem with it is that it either misunderstands the nature of probability or, more likely, is founded upon the last remnants of a geo-centric worldview, which manifests itself across much of creationism. While it is unreasonable to choose one from the enormous inky depths of space and demand that it presents you with perfect conditions for life (as one would do in a geo-centric worldview), it is somewhat more likely that at least one of the approximately 12 thousand sextillion sextillion sextillion sextillion planets in the universe (presuming ours is the only world). And so, given the conditions on any given planet are semi-random, there is a reasonable chance that a single planet can satisfy the conditions demanded of them by the problem of fine-tuning other than the creationist’s hidden request, it’s being earth. Thus you can clearly see that the problem of fine-tuning as it is often presented matters only when you focus only on earth.

The cases I wish to respond to in the body of this post is the slightly more intelligent side of the problem of fine-tuning. By this I refer to the constant characteristics of the universe.

Gravitational force constant 

If larger: stars would be too hot and would burn too rapidly and too unevenly for life chemistry

If smaller: stars would be too cool to ignite nuclear fusion; thus, many of the elements needed for life chemistry would never form”

An example of the more intelligent arguments from fine-tuning, from www.godandscience.com

The problem an atheist finds in facing this kind of argument is that we only live in one universe, meaning we can’t immediately put it down to the law of large numbers. So, as a naturally curious species, we are faced with a number of solutions.

Solutions to the Problem of Fine Tuning

The first is to ignore it. In my opinion this is the worst possible response, as it is unproductive, intellectually dishonest, and frankly boring.

The second is a little better, though only a little. It is the God Solution. There are two principle problems I have with this solution: firstly the extra baggage that comes along with it is in defiance of Occam’s Razor, compelling me to reduce this solution simply to deism. My second problem with the god solution is that it is, in some ways, basically the Ignore Solution. Once you accept the God Solution (with a few caveats for it’s deism form) you effectively no longer need to investigate the scientific answer to anything. Ever. Because whatever it is, God did it. And they say Christianity isn’t anti-science. My final problem with this is that nobody was saying that God determined the strength of nuclear interactions before they existed outside of religion.

Now onto the natural philosophy solutions. Notice that I didn’t say science. That is because science is a methodology of using evidence to gain understanding. What I am to commence on is using my understanding of current scientific thinking to suggest possible solutions.

Firstly, there is the obvious Multiverse Solution. This is basically responding to the ‘fine-tuning’ of the universe by introducing other universes with different intrinsic properties, most of which presumably imploded or exploded. I’m not sure how scientifically viable this is. This comes from my current inability to understand possibly the most difficult area of all science – the strange soup that was the universe millionths of a second after the big bang. As far as I can gather, many properties of the fundamental particles and forces of nature were determined by the formation of the particle fields in the very, very, very early universe. Whether or not the idea of multiple big-bang type situations is scientifically viable is somewhat hard to say.

Then there is the Deriving Properties Solution. This, I will admit, is not quite a solution in itself. It is more a processing step to dealing with characteristics. Essentially what you do is see if, and how many, constants and properties can be derived from the other properties. For example, the speed of strong and electromagnetic interactions is derived at least in part from the speed of light, as well as some quantum mechanics magic. If one were to apply this to all constants of nature it is quite possible that many could vanish to the method. An example of how this could work is the GUT – if all four forces of nature were to be describable by one unified force then you would only need one constant to determine the fundamental strengths of all forces.

Another, similar, solution (and a real solution this time) is the Intrinsic Properties Solution. Essentially this is the idea that some, or even all, properties of our universe are necessary for any cogent reality – that the nature of QED, or even logic, is such that it will ALWAYS have a certain strength, that the speed of light will ALWAYS be around about three million meters per second.

Finally, there is the simple Got Lucky Solution, whereby we simply got lucky. While initially this may seem an astronomically and unrealistically lucky universe, combining all the other solutions, I see very few, if any, ‘finely-tuned’ conditions that could not theoretically be explained.

And that, creationists, is what I say to your ‘fine-tuning’.

Hambleton Evangelical Church

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The Hambleton Evangelical Church is a quiet church near York
This is a response to a leaflet published by the Hambleton Evangelical Church in 2004. A PDF copy of this leaflet can be found at http://bit.ly/UvyN3L. If you take issue with anything in this, or any, post feel free to write a comment and I will respond as soon as possible.

This leaflet is fairly standard fair, by and large. The first page advertises a bible interpretation service to the public; the second offers an evangelical look at the 2004 olympics (although it can be applied to most olympics); and the third ‘recounts’ St Paul’s journey to Mars Hill. While theres a lot I could say about any of these pages, it is the third I would like to focus on today.

The third page is a delineation of the beliefs of St Paul, and by implication of the church. In this post I shall issue a point-by-point response to the beliefs raised.

  1. “God made the world and everything it contains” – This clearly means that god has precise individual control over every single quantum particle ever made. It also (when taking point 2 into account) conflates the universe and the world – this could be a relic of 1st millennia geo-centric thinking; it could simply be a linguistic tradition. However, St Paul himself did come from a time when the possibility of other worlds was not really considered (in the physical sense), and the mechanism of stars was far from understood. Of course I could go into much more detail about the whole creationist argument, but this has gone far enough already.
  2. “God is still in total control of the Universe” – Couple of things here. Firstly, it is in conflict with Quantum Mechanics, other than from a deterministic interpretation where the hidden variables are ‘God’s plan’. Secondly it seems unlikely as the laws of physics seem to do an OK job of that already, and ‘that’s how the universe works’ is a much simpler explanation than genesis. But most importantly this has implications with the problem of evil, which will become a recurring theme throughout.
  3. “God is everywhere – he isn’t confined to any particular place” – It is interesting to not that this passage specifically applies gender to God. Other than that there’s not much wrong with this except the God, which we could (and have) filled books debating. This passage asserts that god is not physical – it is incompatible with materialism. We can therefore consider that this passage makes the prediction that a consciousness cannot be constructed by purely material means. This then means that were we able to do so, or prove that to do so is possible, it could be considered evidence against evangelical belief.
  4. “We can’t do God any favours –  he already has everything he needs” – This ties into the problem of evil. If God has everything he needs, then why inflict suffering upon humanity. The standard answer is that it is because humans reject god, however this implies that god needs, or desires, our belief. One of the two must be at fault.
  5. “Everything we have, even our breath itself, comes to us from God.” – This is simply trying to make us feel like we owe God something – if he created and controls anything then there is no way that anything could not come to us from God, the fact that stuff does notwithstanding.
  6. “There’s only one human race throughout the world – and God made us” – This, again, is determined by the claim that god made and controls everything. This also means that evolution is incompatible with this specific set of beliefs – if there is only one human race we cannot diversify genetically because that would eventually lead to multiple human sub-races, or even multiple human races. Although that depends on the use of the words ‘world‘, ‘human’ and ‘made’. On a positive note, this means that Evangelical Christians should be against racism, which is nice.
  7. “It’s God who decides the comings and goings of governments, empires, and superpowers.”  – this means that humanity cannot be considered to hold blame for the mistakes of it’s governments – the germans were not punishable for electing hitler, the british not to blame for the evils of their empire, and Scandinavia not to blame for the secularism of it’s leadership. This has implications for the problem of evil.
  8. “God wants everyone to seek him in the hope that they will find him.” – This ties into the ‘god gave me a brain so I could doubt’ argument, although thus-far there has been nothing said against it (however, I know from background knowledge that it is connected to some solutions to the problem of evil, especially some evangelical ones). Also, from an informal point of view, I would say that if he is trying to make me find him he is doing a damn bad job of it. Which is impossible because he is omnipotent.
  9. “God isn’t hard to find, because he’s all around us.” – Again, I would say that he’s doing a damned good job of hiding. However, some christians would say that God works through physics so I can’t make that as a formal argument.
  10. “Never imagine that you can get God all worked out.”  – this, surely, renders preists and the like redundant? Probably not. However, there is a legitimate point here. If God, or even a god, is impossible to fully understand, he is impossible to predict, and is therefore scientifically useless. This is because of a fundamental scientific principle that can be summarised as ‘the which cannot be disproved can never be considered true’. In this scenario any predictions that come true or not can be considered to be misinterpretations (depending on personal opinion) which means that all evidence regarding an incomprehensible God is considered redundant, and therefore he cannot be considered to scientifically exist.
  11. “God’s been amazingly kind in not destroying us for our ignorance about him. ” – This is simply illogical. In the previous points we have essentially removed all agency and control from mankind. Therefore God controls whether or not we are “ignorant about him“. Therefore, were God to wipe us out for our ignorance (or more or less any of our failings) he would essentially be doing it because he wanted to; rendering him malevolent, and therefore not ‘amazingly kind‘.
  12. “God has fixed a day when everyone in the world will face his judgment.” – This is simply a biblical interpretation, unless I am mistaken, and so is pinned upon the bible’s validity. The bible, again, is a tricky one, as anything that is disproved within it simply becomes a metaphor. Again, the bible is scientifically useless in this regard; unless of course evangelical christianity is willing to write down exactly what in the bible is literal, and keeps it at that for ever, which is, of course, impossible by the nature of belief.
  13. “Jesus will be our judge” – dependant upon Jesus. Another long one to argue against, but in summary the dispute rages on over wether or not there is a dispute over wether or not jesus actually existed, so its far from a settled issue
  14. “The fact that he rose from the dead is the proof of this.” – I dispute the use of both “fact” and “proof”. I’m not entirely sure how the one leads to the other, let alone how it irrevocably proves it. And “fact” is just a bit silly – especially when taking things like the story of Doubting Thomas into account (john 20:29), which highlight the value of faith over evidence (which, by the way, really annoys me).
  15.  “God commands everyone wherever they are to repent right now so that they will be ready to face that judgment.” – Going to have to let this thing pass. Yet again it ties into fundamentals of christianity which take too long to discuss here. Some might say its connected to the problem of evil, I personally wouldn’t agree: its a little too convoluted.

In summary this leaflet doesn’t stand up to rational inquiry, and much of it is defeated by the problem of evil, which I will get back to at a later date.